Markets into 3rd Quarter
Earnings
We are inching towards close of third quater, I checked a good
dozen of so companies I watch and estimates have for the most part
been declining in the past 90 days. With the markets looking
for any excuse to continue this constant thrasing, I wonder if
estimates have come down enough to adjust for apersistently weak
global environment. China should continue to slow down, I
would also expect Europe to come under more pressure given the
flood of refugees coming into it (or will government spending to
accomodate this influx actually be a stimulant to econies around
the eurozone??). Regardless, I am still inclined NOT to
transfer any additional 401K money from Guaranteed fund to Equity
Funds. I believe that the market may have more excuses to
decline as we go into the earnings season.
The US truly appears to be the best horse in the glue factory.
Any ideas or opinions?
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lt cap,
I agree with your assessment, given my best take (well, let's
call it plain - a guess) on where things are and are headed. Strong
dollar is a problem, and will be a bigger problem going forward, it
looks like, given that Europe is still at the start of a QE plan,
and China, along with emerging markets that mainly depend on
commodity prices for their subsistence, look to keep slowing. The
strong dollar should continue to worry earnings, I'd
think.
And while one can find data to support any position, the 'Jester
effect' seems to be in full swing, some of it in key areas: i.e.,
Forcasts are either not meeting expectations, or are being revised
downward from more sunny projections. China's growth, which was
expected to slow to 7.2% has just been revised to the high 6's. As
I've said before, key industries that reflect basic sources of
growth - e.g., mining, commodities - continue to take a thrasing.
And it's not just oil - I looked at FCX and copper certainly isn't
in demand as the 52 week range is ~$33 down to ~$9 or so. Home
building, which I think we've agreed has to turn robust to support
a real recovery, isn't fairing well, as names like KBH continue to
stagnate, at best. You pegged computers - A month or so ago I read
an article with predictions that the 2 year decline in pc demand
should end and show slight positive results. Today, another
indicator of pc growth was revised downward from ~3.3% to 7,.x%.
Not a pretty picture. Phone growth worldwide was projected to be
pretty anemic as well. (You called the pc slowdown quite well some
time ago, and it has stayed my hand from wading into INTC again at
this price - at $25, I'm a lot more interested. On the very
downside, their die shrink is taking a lot longer, giving up a
crucial lead advantage to competitors. On the upside, they
announced that a joint venture with Micron has yielded a
replacement for....was it RAM or solid state drives?....that
produced a product a zillion times faster than current speeds. (It
would be a competitor to NRAM, which you and I spoke about
previously - I havn't follow NRAM as I would like to have. Intel's
R and D to the rescue again - that being their strongest suit is
what keeps me interested in them, along with a nice dividend.)
But...we are the prettiest horse at the glue factory. (Well, US
factory data slowed to the lowest in 2 years today.) It'll be
interesting to see what data rules - I think at the moment there's
enough foreign $ willing to support this market in light of the
'prettiest horse' theory. But...I'm curious about what happened to
the fact that we destroyed the middle class as a result of Fed
policy? Did we assume that consumption would just move overseas,
and we didn't need such domestic consumption? If China slows, and
we can't dump products in their market, what then? Instead of
iphones for Chinese, do we switch to making stilts for pygmies in
southwest Africa? (Or maybe Nike's with a 'heel lift'
feature?)
So, I've probably not shed a lot of light on what I think
happens next. Your thesis that we get a nasty correction and resume
from their is supportable I think.
On a side note, I'd think that every time Nokia removes another
barrier to merger, the stock will jump accordingly. I wish it
weren't so. Low 3's not that long ago was a real buying opp.
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Jam
ok
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09/23/15 at 2:06 PM CDT
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Thanks for you thoughts. Agree.
The markets have a downward bias, the technicals have been
flashing a slow down in economic activity on a global basis all
year long, hence the trouble this market has had, essentially going
nowhere in the first half of this year and a tumble in the third
calendar quarter.
As to NOK and ALU getting a small bump with every Press Release
relating to the progress on approvals, agree as well. As I
have stated, there are going to be virtaully all kinds of positive
catalysts, the only caveat being the state of the markets, as no
stock is an island.
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LongTerm
CapGains
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09/23/15 at 3:31 PM CDT
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LOL at analysts continuing their game of, "inflate projections
for insider access". It says something about this increasingly
morally bankrupt world that this behavior is now openly recognized
by all, and also perfectly acceptable.
I agree the markets appear to have a downward bias now. The
breadth has continued to narrow, and the recent plunge probably
broke the up-trend. That more than anything will dictate price
movements after news, and there is plenty of that to justify lower
prices. Once prices drop, it may be a while before we see huge
buying, since everyone realizes stocks aren't cheap.
The downside to this increased volatility is I hate waking up in
the morning to check, "Did the market jump or tank 1% in thin
futures trading today?" For example, QQQ this week:
Monday +0.55%
Tuesday -1.53%
Wednesday +0.28%
Thursday -1%
After this mornings gap, that's a -2.1% move from Friday, with
opening gaps totaling 3.36%. Perhaps we should start doing the
opposite of what worked in the uptrend, buy at the close and sell
at the open, then forget about it for the day.
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Jester
Debunker
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09/24/15 at 8:42 AM CDT
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For me, key this season will be if investors react negative to
companies meeting estimates and given OK guidance, that to me will
be the signal that markets are intent on furthering the declines
into potentially bear market levels. Right or wrong, I am
inclined to think this is what will hapen.
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Author:
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LongTerm
CapGains
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09/24/15 at 11:29 AM CDT
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With this mornings gap up on nothing, that's going to be a total
of less than 1% down on QQQ for the week, with about 4.5% total
moves (counting magnitude) in overnight futures. Ugh. It feels like
a few small players are pushing the entire market around like it's
their plaything. Or the two guys in Trading Places, debating which
way to jump the market >1% by the morning.
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Jester
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09/25/15 at 8:11 AM CDT
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The market is probably only marking time until earnings, which
if there is going to be any fire works it is probably
then.
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LongTerm
CapGains
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09/25/15 at 10:02 AM CDT
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