Re Amazon recent run and its
valuation
Amazon's current valuation assumes the company can eventually
produce Net Operating Margins of 10% which would give it a PE of
~20. A 10% Net Operating Margins is on par with Macy's, or
twice that of WalMart, and 45% higher than Target. Currently
Amazon's Net Operating Margins (per Yahoo) stands at 0.8%
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AMZN will continue to have a premium due to being a disruptor
with no competition. Despite being vastly over-priced, analysts
continue to love them and since some of the earnings metrics are so
hideous it wouldn't take much to hype say, "margins soar 100%!!!!"
It could remain similarly over-priced for a long time still.
NFLX and TSLA otoh, they don't look so strong. It seems people
are finally realizing NFLX has valid competition in Hulu and Prime,
which at the very least impacts their expenses for content. Also as
they launch in more international territories, that just lowers
their potential for future growth. They do have an ace in their
sleeve though, on subscription pricing. They could raise it 10%
with negligible impact, which would send margins and earnings
surging.
Toss a coin for the week ahead? Fed week again. Will they or
won't they? And how will the market react?
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Jester
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09/13/15 at 9:57 AM CDT
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Re the Fed: Still think no hike till next year.
I agree Amazon has the upper hand, the perception is it is
steam rolling the competition.
However, the reality is that the steam rolling is not as
bad as it appears, IMO. Best Buy is surviving, it has figured out
its online strategy and sales are stable, while costs are under
control. Walmart is still a force to reckon with, it generates a
huge amount of cash flow, lots of ammunition to defend itself.
Ditto for Target and Macy's
Pricing of items is generally on par between Brick and Mortar
vs. Amazon. Prime is without a doubt Amazon's Ace up its
sleeve. However, Prime is no Moat, IMO. It can be
replicated, and the likes of Walmart and Best Buy could attempt to
counter act it even if at the margins to slow down Amazon.
That said, I agree with you that the market is still fully
behind Amazon, in fact the PTs are now north of 650, I think I saw
one set to $700+, which would lift the projected estimated Net
Oprating Margins above 12%
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LongTerm
CapGains
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Neutral
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09/13/15 at 5:31 PM CDT
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One thing Amazon is constrained on is on price across its
catalog. With competition beginning to match it on price, it
will put a cap on it, this may not be a problem yet, given that
consumers will give Amazon the sale because of force of habit and
convenience. However, I would be surprised if Amazon can
continue to make razor thin margins at infinitum. At some point in
time the market will require Amazon to prove it can grow into the
valuation awarded the company. I know, I know, it
seems the market does not care about that, nor has it for the past
10 plus years.
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LongTerm
CapGains
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09/14/15 at 7:19 AM CDT
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At some point, probably. Could be six months from now when that
starts, or five years. Nobody can predict. However it goes, their
status as a one of its kind distruptor will always give it a higher
valuation premium than average. There are probably assumptions too
in how many years it takes to get to margins that produce those
earnings. To forecast the same earnings, all analysts need to do is
push out a few more years of revenue growth with lower margins
while citing "continued and better than expected progress on
margins" to keep supporting the stock.
I have no position in AMZN. When I do, I'm looking for a quick
short. I was just making the point that it's risky while the
up-trend and narrative are still both intact. I mentioned NFLX otoh
which is also very richly valued but is starting to look weaker,
both technically and in the narrative (I see more and more stories
highlighting that they do in fact have competition).
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Author:
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Jester
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Neutral
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09/14/15 at 8:54 AM CDT
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I agree, I also have no position in Amzon. And I too only
short it for brief times.
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Author:
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LongTerm
CapGains
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09/14/15 at 10:12 AM CDT
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