Thanks for you thoughts.  Agree.

The markets have a downward bias, the technicals have been flashing a slow down in economic activity on a global basis all year long, hence the trouble this market has had, essentially going nowhere in the first half of this year and a tumble in the third calendar quarter.

As to NOK and ALU getting a small bump with every Press Release relating to the progress on approvals, agree as well.  As I have stated, there are going to be virtaully all kinds of positive catalysts, the only caveat being the state of the markets, as no stock is an island.