OT - CIEN - I'm wondering at what price CIEN becomes a buy. I don't expect there'll be any clarity on that until after earnings, if then. And (I had meant to save it and post it here), there 

was an excellent ZDnet article on how 5G rolloout may be much slower than anticipated, perhaps becoming mainstream around 2025. It may take some time for 5g phones to become mainstream, and they brought up the issue of that consumers may find 4G just fine for the things they want/need to do. The new Samsung Galaxy is 5g capable, but with a price tag over $1k......