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Jam ok

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05/04/17 at 12:42 PM CDT

 

 

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OT - NOK

OT - NOK branded phone coming in June. Looks to be priced in 2nd and 3rd world, and the 'hillbillies' in the US who can now afford a phone, but havr a dead signal where they live, according to Hilary crying crocodile tears over that. Her inability to take any responsibility for blowing the election is amazing - but right in step with how out of touch she is. Still, if it mattered, looking back of course I wouldn've voted for her. Doesn't matter - I'm in a deep blue state. On a lot of levels.

finance.yahoo.com/ne...8.html

Am I correct that NOK is basically licensing the name but not building the phones? Wondering what their exposure is.


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05/05/17 at 10:03 AM CDT

Jon,

I believe that is correct - Licensing, but beyond that, no dog in the fight. Lt cap would know with certainty, I expect. Although your question makes me wonder: Is buying a license from another company always just a lump sum of cash, perhaps y/o/y, or are there instances where the licensee pays a 'per item' (in this case, per phone) fee, giving the licenser part of a dog in the fight?


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Jam ok

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05/05/17 at 12:23 PM CDT

As I understand it, the license royalties are on a per phone basis.  It is a very smart way to participate in the smartphone market without the risk of losing a ton of money, as Nokia did when Apple destroyed its business a decade ago.


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LongTerm CapGains

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05/05/17 at 5:20 PM CDT

NOK is indeed only licensing its name and the IP (Patents).  There is no down side other than embarrassment if HMD Global fails.  On the other hand, if HMD manages to sell a lot of phones, the margins for the licensing are very high and Nokia stands to grow its Technologies division revenues nicely.   

I am not expecting HMD global to sell too many high-end phones because Apple and Samsung totally dominate the segment, but I do think that in the low and mid-point smartphone market it can compete effectively.


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LongTerm CapGains

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05/05/17 at 5:18 PM CDT

Though it seems AAPL is facing tough competition for its pricey phones inChina.  Just not sure if HMD's high end phone will measure up to Apple's iPhone 8, when it releases this September. The article in this link (ignore video, it is unrelated to China phone competition) talks about the tough environment Apple faces in China:

thestreet.com/st...=yahoo


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05/07/17 at 11:33 AM CDT

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