OT - NOK
I checked the price chart for NOK, and damned if it didn't
decline from $7.20 on Jan 28th to $5.84 by Feb 8th. I simply do not
remember a reason for such a precipitous drop. It does exaplain why
I am quite underwater overall, but....what happened? I must've been
in a medical coma at the time.
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I believe it was due to the result of the
Patent arbitration with Samsung. There were a few
analysts that expected a few hundred million more than the $800M
awarded. BofA was at $987M, some other outfit at $1.2B, the
mean expectation was at $900M.
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LongTerm
CapGains
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Off Topic
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Neutral
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04/07/16 at 7:07 AM CDT
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lt cap,
Thanks - yes, I do remember the disappointment on the numbers on
the Samsung issues. But NOK loses perhaps couple hundred million
and gets soundly trashed while BP is paying out ~18 billion and it
doesn't die? Maybe just an issue of equal proportions, or
whatever.
This is not news: CIEN losing 5% today because.....after InPhi
made its announcement the analysts who came out to defend CIEN
noted that it cut both ways, it will hurt their business in some
ways, but making DCI equipment that was going to grow and was
compatible would offset that. The defenders of INFN said yeah,
that's a not-insignificant crunch to earnings, but overall their
growth prospects are positive in the long run. I can understand why
INFN is skittish until we get some clue as to how it will affect
them, according to Fallon. And CIEN's decline might be some
skittishness because their last two CC's were disappointing. So it
really doesn't make logical sense unless...just as INFN got trashed
and dropped in the 13's most likely because the InPhi development
was known to some beforehand, these stocks are trading like there's
doom ahead, rather than the 10%+ growth rates that keep getting
verbally re-confirmed.
It leans me away from playing options at the moment - the
potential gain isn't worth the risk. It does have me thinking of
adding realtively small chunks of NOK - but I'm starting to feel
overweight in a negative-so-far position, and the stock itself
isn't showing any kind of a bottom here. I *think* there's a bounce
in here somewhere, but where it is I have no clue. In part, because
I see no negative news that corrolates with these movements. NOK's
losing ground because of massive job cuts maybe? Is not that
supposed to be part of their synergy savings strategy?
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Jam
ok
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Neutral
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04/07/16 at 2:33 PM CDT
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Agree, NOK is certainly trading as if more bad news is
coming. Still cannot find anything. The market will not
give it the time of day; it will do so when solid positive news are
delivered.
The company is some 30 cents
above the price it closed at on 9/2/2013 the day after the
announcement that MSFT was buying the handset division for some
$7B. Today the company has larger revenues, it just bought ALU
which gives it a much more diversified product portfolio, expands
it global foot print, and still has a ton of cash. But no
matter, the market does not care.
bbc.com/ne...940171
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Author:
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LongTerm
CapGains
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Off Topic
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Neutral
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04/07/16 at 3:14 PM CDT
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And NOK up over 4.5% today... on no news? Seems like every time
it gets around $6 lately it gets promptly battered down again. I
bought some yesterday at $5.77 and sold today at $6.01, and will
attempt to lower my previous $6.30's cost basis (before today) if
it goes down again to that range.
Funny how there's market talk today of "hopes for more
stimulus", since yesterday was a big down day. And Yellen sees no
bubble, which of course leaves the door open for more insanity.
Does anyone actually believe she would ever see a bubble, or admit
to seeing one if she did?
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Jester
Debunker
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Off Topic
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Neutral
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04/08/16 at 9:50 AM CDT
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Maybe she lives inside a bubble? When you are a
hammer ...
Re NOK, it has been beaten down to this level on reverse
insanity, IMO. I have modestly accumulated additional shares
in the sub 6 level, plan to continue adding at those levels, I do
plan to hold these until the 7s at least.
I remain unconcerned about the short to mid-term moves in
NOK. I continue to firmly believe there is unlocked value.
Sorry to be so repetitive, but that is how I see it.
From a chart point of view,
yesterday it set a 52 week low, however, the important thing is
that it held the low it set back on August 24th last year, so,
today’s bounce on heavy volume is encouraging.
Hopefully this technical bounce has real follow through, if not, it
will be back in the sub 6 level again soon.
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Author:
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LongTerm
CapGains
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Off Topic
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Neutral
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04/08/16 at 9:59 AM CDT
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NOK got upgraded to Buy by some Nordic financial services
group.
"Coupled with the upcoming cash return - a EUR 0.25 DPS in
June, the start of a buyback programme equivalent to another EUR
0.25 per share and still excess cash - we find the valuation too
attractive to ignore despite the challenging market conditions and
cuts to consensus," analysts said.
thestreet.com/st...s.html
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Author:
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Jester
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Off Topic
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Neutral
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04/08/16 at 1:21 PM CDT
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Glad to see others bringing some sense re NOK's current
valuation situation.
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Author:
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LongTerm
CapGains
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Off Topic
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Neutral
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Date:
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04/08/16 at 1:51 PM CDT
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