INFN and CIEN
I have been trading INFN and done well, today I bought
INFN and CIEN, again for a trade. I think that while CIEN is
guiding lower on revenue range for next quarter, the punishment
seems too harsh. I too think that CIEN's CEO would be
lowering the bar substantially to make the next quarter easily,
with a ~20% drop today, I think there is a good chance for a decent
bounce, more so considering that at current levels the PE is below
10, which, even if estimates are rachetted down, would still look
on the low side relative to the general market multiples. And
certainly feel the same way about INFN, the guilty by association
is not justified.
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lt cap,
I agree with everything you've said. CIEN's quarter seem rather
good to my eyes, but I understand the guidance is what's killing
it. I can't see the guidance being that bad. The street is treating
this sector as though it's full of cybersecurity firms with
outrageous PE's that all are built on hope for growth. INFN falling
in sympathy seems ridiculous - their last CC was just fine. From
the price actions, you'd have to think the street thinks this
sector is in a secular decline, rather than the opposite.
I'm tempted to jump in but I'm already way overweight in CIEN
and INFN to a lesser degree. Of course, the stock I want to buy
now, CSCO lost 9 cents while the rest of the sector is in
'bloodbath mode.' I could still jump in, although Iv'e missed the
best bargains of the day. But when reason fails to rule, I ask
myself - why can't INFN revisit the $13's, if valuations in the
sector are just wacky-low. A bit like your dilemma on NOK -
you already have a ton, but buying opps do seem to come up.
But the market will do what the market will do. Long haul (no
functional pun intended) is the game.
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Author:
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Jam
ok
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Off Topic
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Neutral
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03/03/16 at 1:37 PM CST
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My take on the CIEN guidance is also more positive than the
market took it.
1.- On a YoY basis there is revenue growth
2.- On a YoY basis there is earnings growth
3.- As I stated, the multiple is reasonable
4.- There is this little detail of secular growth trends for
this Industry
5.- The CEO is a veteran, he has been at the Ciena helm since
the dot com days, he sure has lowered the bar to easily beat
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LongTerm
CapGains
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Off Topic
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Sentiment:
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Neutral
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03/03/16 at 1:56 PM CST
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lt cap,
The 15%+ blowdown on CIEN is oh so tempting, but I've got too
much. I've been thinking about what the analysts that were so hot
on it (I think Blair went out and said it was going to be a very
good quarter), both 6 months ago and as of yesterday, are going to
do. The most likely scenario, I think, is that they'll support the
stock, citing the lt potential. The guy who said if it's a great
CC, buy, and if it's bad cc, buy, is obviously 'married' to that
conviction. Not that analysts won't risk looking foolish.
I've been looking at INFN covered calls, and the Apr. 15 (or is
that 17th?) stk 15 are pretty attractive - .80/sh, and the stock is
trading at $14.60. But while the open interest is substantial, the
trading on it today is anemic - few shares, a .30 spread between
bid and ask. .80 is the midpoint.
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Author:
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Jam
ok
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Off Topic
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Sentiment:
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Neutral
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03/03/16 at 2:05 PM CST
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Thanks for the heads-up on CIEN. I jumped in earlier to sell
$16.5 puts expiring tomorrow for $0.22, and I'm certainly tempted
to do more in this range. I'm always skeptical when analysts are
pushing a company right before earnings, as we saw here. To me it
always smacks of manipulation, like maybe getting their own clients
out at better prices.
GME has been rising recently. I need to start looking for price
ranges to sell calls.
Kicking myself for not pulling the trigger on LGF under $20. At
an over 50% decline it was bound to rally soon but I was too
chicken. That said, without a major franchise like Hunger Games
(maybe a prequel coming) and Divergent wasn't that big and it's
ending this month anyway, it's not something I'd want to hold onto
in this market.
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Author:
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Jester
Debunker
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Off Topic
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Sentiment:
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Neutral
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Date:
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03/03/16 at 2:33 PM CST
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