ALU/NOK OT
OT - ALU/NOK - I'm sure this will straighten itself out and
become clear, but....looking at my account, I see no actual 'sell'
of ALU - but rather, an 'exchange or exercise' involing
-ALU and +NOK. There is no explicit 'sale' in there, although
perhaps it is implied. But...(and the above happened as of 1/7) my
NOK shares show a tidy profit - ~$6.63 with the current value being
~$7.40. I would be very, very surprised if this was not a
taxable event after all the sweat and blood in finding out. But the
positive gain does seem to show up here in my NOK shares. Not sure
what's up with that. Will call the broker when I have time, but I
expect the sense of just making a share exchange to be an artifact
overlaying the actual Silly Putty nature of the deal.
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Jamok, sounds like you see more than I do in my account. I see
my NOK, and the trades on 1/7 are listed as "voluntary - exchange
offer" value 0.00. Looking at my recent confirmations where I can
see each trade in detail, I see no transactions related to this. If
I were basing it on what I'm seeing, I'd assume it's a straight
exchange, except all our brokers told us it was a taxable event. If
it is taxable, then I've no idea at what price, since nowhere in
these transactions is any price shown at which ALU was taken or NOK
was received.
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Jester
Debunker
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Neutral
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01/11/16 at 2:27 PM CST
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Jester,
Yes, you've got the gist of my post. It looks like a normal,
sensible stock swap, but everything we've been told disconfirms
that. I recall my broker saing unequivocally that it is a
taxable event, even though he couldn't put a date to it. I'm
thinking about calling the broker to see what is up with that,
although they've not been exactly a font of reliable info. The
'accreted value' of the ST gains in the stock appears to have been
accounted for in the avg. share price vs. the current market price
- but all of that relating to NOK. 'Twould be very excellent if
there is no 'taxable event', but I'm skpetical.
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Author:
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Jam
ok
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Neutral
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01/11/16 at 3:22 PM CST
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Jamok, Jester,
I just looked at the details in my accounts and I see exactly
the same thing, it appears as a straight conversion. My new
Cost Basis is $7.14, what are yours?
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LongTerm
CapGains
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Neutral
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01/11/16 at 4:00 PM CST
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Looking now in the Gainskeeper section, mine shows NOK as
$7.3675 with open date 12/23, which makes no sense because the
closing price of 12/22 was $7.22 and the range on 12/23 was
$7.12-$7.24.
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Jester
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Neutral
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01/11/16 at 4:24 PM CST
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BTW, I looked at my accounts in Fidelity, I will check what
ETrade has.
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LongTerm
CapGains
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Neutral
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01/11/16 at 4:27 PM CST
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ETrade can be frustrating when it comes to something as simple
as finding out the cost basis!?%#$@!
I will call them tomorrow to get the gistr of it, will post
then
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LongTerm
CapGains
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Neutral
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01/11/16 at 4:49 PM CST
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"mine shows NOK as $7.3675 with open date
12/23"
Same. weird.
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breinejm
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Neutral
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01/12/16 at 11:33 AM CST
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OK I called ETrade. They told me it would be several more
days until the NOK position shows my cost basis. Currently it
shows $0 for Price Paid
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Author:
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LongTerm
CapGains
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Neutral
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01/12/16 at 12:22 PM CST
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IMO, Fidelity comes closest to what I would expect, it is in the
trading range for the 23rd, as you pointed out 7.12 to
7.23
I sure hope that ETrade is the same. Quick question: what
is Gainskeeper?
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Author:
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LongTerm
CapGains
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Off Topic
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Neutral
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01/12/16 at 1:04 PM CST
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Gainskeeper is the name of the module in Ameritrade which shows
your gain/loss per holding, shows whether it's LT or ST, etc.
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Jester
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Neutral
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01/12/16 at 1:46 PM CST
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lt cap,
Just to add more detail to Gainskeeper - as Jester noted, some
brokerages give you free access for being a customer. But I used
(and paid) it for a long time (on a yearly subscription basis) to
keep track of all the stuff Jester mentioned - cost basis,
gains/loss, st/lt, tax rules (wash sales, etc.), splits and merger
calcs, etc. Not a bad program, but the brokerages have caught
up with it in terms of such things as I can get realize/unrealized
gains, cost basis, all that on the trading platform I think all
brokerages provide. I am a little curious as to why they haven't
lost a ton of subscribers since the brokerages starting earning
their keep, lol.
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Author:
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Jam
ok
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Off Topic
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Neutral
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01/12/16 at 1:52 PM CST
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I believe that the IRS/Government a few years back made it a
requirement for all brokerages to provide cost basis, LT, ST, Gains
and Losses. This made reporting those on the 1040s much more
accurately, it probably was an area where a tax payers made many
mistakes on their taxes.
I remember having to manually figure out and enter all that info
every year as I was preparing my taxes. Fidelity always
provided all that info, not so ETrade. It was painful.
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Author:
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LongTerm
CapGains
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Off Topic
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Neutral
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Date:
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01/12/16 at 2:03 PM CST
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