OT - ALU shares
<p>Jester, lt cap,</p> <p>The last word from
my broker on what will happen with my ALU shares equates to 'not
really sure' - might tell me sometime after Dec. 31st, when tax
loss selling isn't possible. To go back to the 'beginning' - we are
certain? almost certain? best guess? that the ALU shares will
be sold and lt or st gain will be a 2015 event? TIA.</p>
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Ny broker told me that typically after the deadline for
tendering passes it can be up to two weeks for the conversion
totake effect, so it could be 2015 or first week of 2016, according
to Fidelity.
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LongTerm
CapGains
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12/21/15 at 5:48 AM CST
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Yes, this is all very unfortunate. Not only are those shares
currently in limbo, it's also a taxable event, and by the sounds of
it we don't even know if it's a 2015 or 2016 event! If I had known
it would be this confusing at the start (I just assumed it would be
a straight conversion, and keep the short term or long term status
of the shares), I'd have probably sold at $4 then purchased NOK
myself when I deemed it a good time. Oh well, always learning!
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Jester
Debunker
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12/21/15 at 8:39 AM CST
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It bugged me too, not so much the fact that the position is in
Limbo, mostly bevcause it is a position where the level of due
diligence has convinced me to hold it for the very long term
anyway. What bugs me is the fact that I will have a tax event and
the fact that in order to get long term tax treatment I will have
to restart all over again when the conversion to NOK takes
place.
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LongTerm
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12/21/15 at 10:01 AM CST
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Jester,
Thanks for chiming in with what Fidelity was at least willing to
say. Good for you to take a silver lining outloook ('always
learning') as this is the season of goodwill and cheer. I keep
thinking the IRS needs to modernize its image (I keep noticing ads
on TV for the Navy, soldiers with assault rifles, piloting
helicopters, looks very much like a COD trailer.) I keep hearing
the old Queen song '(Everybody) We will, we will....SCREW YOU!'
Might be a good recruiting tool, finding sadists who enjoy watching
you suffer.
This very simple idea crossed my mind this morning regarding the
date of the sale of ALU shares and which year it will be taxable
in: The obvious - when you sell a stock, the sale is registered and
while you actually sold the stock on that date, it takes 3 business
days to settle. So, wouldn't there need to be some announcement
when NOK actually 'acquires' (buys) those shares, and if not then,
in the 3 days it takes for that transaction to be
consummated?
Yes, I know - it's too simple. And individual rules don't apply
to corporate actions. And I recall in a case where a company I
owned declared a 'special dividend', but it was indeterminate when
they would announce the details so that it became clear whethere
the manner in which it was done made that distribution a lt or st
taxable event. It's just aggravating - I will probably wait until
near the 31st, and if it still isn't clear what year the taxation
applies to, I will sell some underwater shares that I would rather
hang onto, just to be 'safe' in the face of uncertainty. So it
goes. ALU is still trading on my watch list, altho it no longer
appears on my 'positions' list.
In other news, Jeffries raised CIEN to buy today. It seems that
even with that nastily dismal CC, almost all the analysts are
looking at the long term picture, and feel the long term view makes
shares cheap here. And GME sinks to near 52 week lows.
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Jam
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12/21/15 at 12:07 PM CST
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