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Author:

Perry Rod

Subject:

Analysis

Date:

12/24/08 at 7:42 PM CST

 

 

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Christmas Valuation Analysis

Lets do a quick overview of General Electric, since it is such a powerful name trading at $16.11 with a significant $1.24 dividend (7.7%)

Analysts expect earnings of $1.42 (after downgrades...which may suggest more downward revisions to come)

Lets look at the balance sheet...

Cash And Cash Equivalents 16,301,000

Short Term Investments 43,459,000

Long Term Investments 428,790,000

Short/Current Long Term Debt 218,748,000

Long Term Debt 329,915,000

= 60 billion debt or $6/share

 

So... Apx Enterprise Value $16 + $6 debt / $1.42 earnings = 15.5

 

The dividend is at risk with it being so close to the earnings estimate.  They declared no change in the payout in 2009 but are not providing quarterly guidance, which is a red flag. This is a safe long term investment in the market - and good for consistent payouts - but I would argue there are much better deals in the market at this time.  In fact, one of the biggest issues I see is the 428B in long term investments - which were marked to market on Sept 30, before the collapse of the financial world.  It's possible that the balance sheet will shock the market when they report earnings in February 2009.  I would stay clear of GE stock then.

In December, I did a quick Christmas valuation analysis of General Electric and concluded that $16 was too much to pay for the company, given the current market environment and the company's enterprise multiple.

Since then, GE has given up tens of billions in market capitalization and just recently bounced off a low of $10.66, a price that it has not seen in over a decade.

Meanwhile, legends such as Warren Buffett have been caught buying into GE when it was trading in the mid 20's.  Of course, when Buffett buys stock he gets extra special incentives.  He received an option to buy 3 billion GE at $22.25 in the next five years and also receives a 10% dividend (callable within three years).  Investors who followed him in, of course, have gotten a rude awakening - and no special incentives.

Warren Buffett has taken a hit, but it is just no comparison to the slaughtering of common investors or even hedge funds who mistakenly believed in Warren Buffett's extraordinary leadership position in the stock market.

It's important to note the difference between us and a person like Warren Buffett when it comes to the stock market.  For Warren Buffett, making a billion or losing a billion is meaningless for his day to day life.  A billionaire does not need any more money.  And a billionaire can lose a tremendous amount of money, but is highly unlikely to ever become desperate or in a survival mode.

It may be time for the myth that is Warren Buffett to be shaken.  Buffett’s father was, of course, a Congressman and stock broker.  Little Warren did not grow up struggling financially and had no shortage of connections.  His story is not rags to riches, it is rather upper middle class with many powerful connections – to riches.

That does not mean what he accomplished was not extraordinary.  We know it to be amazing.  He is the richest man on Earth.  But it may be time to take a closer look at these differences between us and Warren Buffett.

It is important to also note that Berkshire Hathaway is a company that is dependent on the Warren Buffett myth.  By that I mean the exaggerated sense of comfort investors share when it comes to Buffett’s beliefs and recommendations.  There is a financial incentive to keep the myth alive – that Buffett is an “oracle.”

But the fact of the matter is Buffett strongly suggested to the investment community that they should “buy stocks” and that GE, specifically, was a good investment.  He is a philanthropist, after all.  But GE was not a good investment in the 20’s a few months ago.  That much should be clear by now.

Since Christmas, analyst expectations have dropped to $1.30 and there is high speculation that the $1.24 dividend will be cut (except for Warren Buffett’s shares).  Looking at today’s rough enterprise value analysis a buyer of $11.50 GE stock would be getting $6 of debt, divided by analyst expectations of $1.30 earnings, leaving a buyer with an approximately 13.5 enterprise value.

At this point, perhaps the stock is a buy.  Even now, however, it might be prudent to wait for the GE board to cut the dividend and free up cash flow.  Also, since GE is no longer providing guidance, it may be prudent to wait for a better bargain.  But above all else, it is an important lesson for investors, a reminder that there is a grand distinction between Warren Buffett’s financial decisions and ours.

 


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Author:

Perry Rod

Subject:

Market Makers

Sentiment:

Neutral

Date:

02/13/09 at 3:26 PM CST

I think if you actually watch him speak, you'll understand why so many people follow him.  He's a very generous thoughtful guy...

video.google.com/vi...895261

I see your overall point though.


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Author:

Mahyar Hashemi

Subject:

Market Makers

Sentiment:

Neutral

Date:

02/15/09 at 12:39 PM CST

It was obvious that when GE needed to resort to the most expensive financing there is, ie selling preferred stock with a 10% dividend, that GE was in trouble.   I did not hesitate and I sold my remaining shares at about  $24.50 with a market order after I read the news.    A fine price when you compare it with today.   I told the people then, just wait for the stock to drop to $12 and the common share holders would get a 10% dividend too.   Unfortunately for all those GE bulls, they are now getting 10% but lost half the value of their stock.


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Author:

Scott Larsen

Subject:

Market Makers

Sentiment:

Neutral

Date:

02/16/09 at 5:25 PM CST

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